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		<title>By: theo</title>
		<link>http://balanceinmotion.net/blog/2008/02/08/mom-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-173932</link>
		<dc:creator>theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept of democracy extended into the natural landscape in a kind of one species, one vote organizing principle makes perfect sense to me. It puts man where he belongs in the pecking order, which is taking your turn at being boss and then stepping aside for a cycle.  (Sometimes you&#039;re the windshield, sometimes you&#039;re the bug--Mary Chapin Carpenter)

As for unfarmable land, this arrangement makes unfarmable land farmable. Consider that one group of cooperating farmers could feed thousands. Not everyone --in fact, only a small percentage of the population -- neeeds to farm to make this work.

I like it. It is not so different from the farms I visited as a child, where all of the animals lived in the same space. We called those hardy farming souls &quot;dirt farmers,&quot; which is only one step down the evolutionary scale from the grass farmer. They produced some of everything with 40 acres and a mule.  It was the introduction of the &quot;cash crop&quot; that ruined that smelly but organically organic paradise.  

 Is there a kit I can order on the &#039;net to get started? : )
(You can lead a man to the verge of real system awareness, but you can&#039;t make him give up his technological vanity--read &quot;species arrogance&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept of democracy extended into the natural landscape in a kind of one species, one vote organizing principle makes perfect sense to me. It puts man where he belongs in the pecking order, which is taking your turn at being boss and then stepping aside for a cycle.  (Sometimes you&#8217;re the windshield, sometimes you&#8217;re the bug&#8211;Mary Chapin Carpenter)</p>
<p>As for unfarmable land, this arrangement makes unfarmable land farmable. Consider that one group of cooperating farmers could feed thousands. Not everyone &#8211;in fact, only a small percentage of the population &#8212; neeeds to farm to make this work.</p>
<p>I like it. It is not so different from the farms I visited as a child, where all of the animals lived in the same space. We called those hardy farming souls &#8220;dirt farmers,&#8221; which is only one step down the evolutionary scale from the grass farmer. They produced some of everything with 40 acres and a mule.  It was the introduction of the &#8220;cash crop&#8221; that ruined that smelly but organically organic paradise.  </p>
<p> Is there a kit I can order on the &#8216;net to get started? : )<br />
(You can lead a man to the verge of real system awareness, but you can&#8217;t make him give up his technological vanity&#8211;read &#8220;species arrogance&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: tanthalas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanthalas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polyface Farm is indeed an awesome place from what I&#039;ve read about it in &lt;i&gt;TOD&lt;/i&gt; (hoping html tags work here).  But it&#039;s going to be tough/impossible to convince the population to spread out into local, self-sustained communities rather than gather at metropolitan centers like NYC.  It would be viewed as a step backward for many.  Not to mention the fact that some places will be practically deserted because the land is not farmable.

I haven&#039;t looked through the Vertical Farm site (it&#039;s down at the moment, though  the cached pages on Google give some good hints as to what it&#039;s about), but I&#039;m rather skeptical of their ability to replicate the mind-bogglingly complex ecosystem that makes places like Polyface Farm actually work.  Some alarm bells go off in my head when I view this from the perspective of yet another attempt by science to simplify and cut-and-control something that&#039;s inherently complex.

Short of physically migrating entire ecosystems into the vertical environment, I don&#039;t see how we&#039;d get away with building a vertical farm *without* making some reckless abstractions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polyface Farm is indeed an awesome place from what I&#8217;ve read about it in <i>TOD</i> (hoping html tags work here).  But it&#8217;s going to be tough/impossible to convince the population to spread out into local, self-sustained communities rather than gather at metropolitan centers like NYC.  It would be viewed as a step backward for many.  Not to mention the fact that some places will be practically deserted because the land is not farmable.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t looked through the Vertical Farm site (it&#8217;s down at the moment, though  the cached pages on Google give some good hints as to what it&#8217;s about), but I&#8217;m rather skeptical of their ability to replicate the mind-bogglingly complex ecosystem that makes places like Polyface Farm actually work.  Some alarm bells go off in my head when I view this from the perspective of yet another attempt by science to simplify and cut-and-control something that&#8217;s inherently complex.</p>
<p>Short of physically migrating entire ecosystems into the vertical environment, I don&#8217;t see how we&#8217;d get away with building a vertical farm *without* making some reckless abstractions.</p>
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